Bastard in a Basket

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Yesterday, Brian Green over at Gamasutra posted his reflections upon the necessity of establishing “artistic legitimacy” for games. The article does not go into any depth or detail into what cultural/artistic/financial legitimacy actually means for people who are culturally/artistically/financially oppressed; instead it amounts to a bunch of rich kids screaming “You don’t understand us!” and “We hate living in this house!”

I apologize for my derisive tone, but I have never seen this degree of self-aggrandizement and self-pitied whimpering in all my time spent writing about, and criticizing, games. But really, does this kind of whining lend any legitimacy to developers at all? Besides – why has nobody asked if we really want legitimacy? Does legitimacy make good art? Since when was someone stopping developers from making games about the horror of war, or guilt and penance? I hate to rain on your parade here, Green, but most developers stop themselves from making artful games because they perceive a “small market” for that kind of thing. Brian Green claims that “we are stuck making works that can only be appropriate for children”. You say that you’re stuck in the children’s game business? Honestly, I’d like to see Mr. Green name 10 children’s games released this year that did not suck. Compare that to the hundred violent action games that were released, and made money, and we can start talking. Until then, this is self-deception to the nth degree.

Seriously. The folks of “Project Horseshoe” who came up with this idea need to pack up their sleeping bags, take their football, and go back home. Or move to Hollywood where you’ll get all the ego-stroking you need.

Note: Kumar Daryanani Arias posted a very insightful reply over at “Destral’s Blog”; it is worth reading in relation to Green’s article.

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  1. Logan’s avatar

    Pretty good counterpoint, Chris. A lot of what you say is valid, but I think you might misinterpret what Green counts as a “children’s” game. The classification isn’t necessarily in the game’s content alone, but also in the themes, narrative complexity, game mechanics, etc. Take say, the difference between Farcry 2 in terms of complexity of mechanics and production quality and another popular shooter title such as Killzone (and soon, sadly, Killzone 2). I realize Killzone’s a more dated game, but the comparison is more about what conscious design decisions were made, and basically the level of demand the game puts on the player to succeed. Also, they intersect in that, despite largely positive reviews across the board, Farcry 2 has not enjoyed commensurate commercial success. Killzone, despite being panned as a lackluster generic shooter, enjoyed a surprising amount of popularity. (Note I’m leaving narrative complexity largely out here. Given the setting of Farcry 2, the lackluster, sporadic story it churns out was about my only big disappointment with the game. Then again, as for Killzone’s narrative qualities… the Helghast? Dear lord.)

    The point is essentially, part of the cycle we’re locked into in the industry is that a Killzone-esque game is precisely what a large part of the gaming community wants. You sometimes can take a shot with a unique, hybridized title and get lucky. But if you’re viewing development as a business, and you know you can get away with a hack coding job and few specialized systems, then why not do it? Not to paint the entire gaming community as a bunch of attention deficit suffering twitch-monkies, but that’s a large part of the market. A game can be jam packed with gore and ultra-violence, but at it’s core can have a childish simplicity and appeal.

    My hope is that a lot of game development’s acceptance problems, be them the frustration of developers trying to make games that are “high art” or the episodic rise of anti-gaming legislation, are largely generational problems. Thirty years from now, there may well be a cultural legitimacy for game design. But a lot of this is reliant upon waiting for the first few “gaming generations” to start attaining political and cultural agenda setting power, and for the few generations who’ve grown up with even more gaming exposure to reach maturity. The problem seems largely structural. Once there are the demographics to support the sort of legitimacy Green wants, the issue will be moot. That said, I think you were spot on that there’s a certain insular “we’re so put upon, the general public just doesn’t get us” quality to the article that is pretty unhelpful towards making the case. I just think Green’s objections towards “childish” games are a little more expansive than just that narrow, and yes, incredibly crappy, genre.

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  2. chris’s avatar

    Logan,

    You’re absolutely right of course – my critique there was partly done tongue-in-cheek. I agree with you that in 30 years, the landscape may look somewhat different. Perhaps there will be more room for the kinds of games Green (and I) wish to see more of.

    But let’s not forget history – 25 years ago games did not have *any* cultural legitimacy, yet we found some of the most recognizably artistic games being produced in that time. That surely was not because our parents welcomed them with open arms. In fact, games were even more reviled than they are now – they were truly seen as wastes of time for children. The idea of a grown adult playing “children’s” games 25 years ago unacceptable. If anything, I think we’ve eroded the levees on that cultural proscription so much that games are now becoming “commonplace”. The idea of kids playing games after school does not induce a moral panic anymore like it used to – except the occasional shooter/killer that the media is so fond of. I think *that* is the real risk we face today – games are no longer a child’s wonderful secret territory, they now face the scrutiny of the everyday person. Games have become largely ‘disenchanted’.. that seems to be far more dangerous than not getting a little respect.

    Thanks again for the response!

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  3. OM Joe’s avatar

    Hoo Boy, Chris!
    –I owe you a phone call–this looks like a perfect opportunity. :)

    While you do make some good points, I think that Mr. Green deserves his day in court–Project Horseshoe as well.
    It’s not whining (in my opinion), but more of a feeling of producers, developers, artists and musicians becoming more mature. Back in the 80s and 90s, it was the technology and the new-ness of the media that drove these creative people. As they all get older, I’m sure that they get tired of experiencing the same things:

    SCENARIO-
    Cocktail party at the wife’s workplace. She is introducing you to some of her co-workers.
    WIFE-”This is my husband, George. George, this is Martha. Martha works in accounting with me.”
    MARTHA-”Nice to meet you, George. What do you do for a living?”
    GEORGE-”Well, I’m a musician and composer.”
    MARTHA-”Wow–a composer–how interesting! Where have you performed? Might I have heard of your work?”
    GEORGE-”Possibly–Have you ever heard of ‘The Seventh Guest’?”
    MARTHA-”What’s that? A movie? A new Band? ”
    GEORGE-”No, it’s a videogame. One of the best scores I’ve ever written.”
    MARTHA-”….OH….A video game. Well–how…nice. I think I’ll go try to find the hor’derves cart.”

    Call it whining if you want, but that kind of response enough times must be enough to pull your hair out!

    Gaming industry professional’s entire hearts, souls, and creative energies are being poured into their jobs on a daily basis for years, and these very creative people are still being dismissed after over 25 years as ‘toymakers’. I don’t think the need is for fame, or attention (with the exception of perhaps Garriott and Romero), but more toward the feeling of appreciation for the medium. Game developers work as hard as (and even harder than) movie actors, producers, concert pianists, talk show hosts, rock musicians, and novelists. Mr. Green is simply pointing out that if that is the case, why are game developers treated like they’re street performers, rather than like the true artists, musicians, and producers that they are?
    I think in the end, there’s no real way to force legitimacy. It simply takes time.

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  4. Garth’s avatar

    I agree with OM Joe. That dialog you wrote is exactly what bothers me as a game developer. Call it whining if you want; I just want what we do to be understood!

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  5. chris’s avatar

    Hi Joe and Garth!

    I have all the sympathy in the world for composers (such as George ‘The Fat Man’ Sanger, who no doubt you’re referring to) and developers that are not recognized by mainstream society for their contributions. Anyone put in the position where their work is unappreciated no doubt will feel rejected by the public. But the question for me is – is public appreciation/recognition going to make any difference for a developer beyond a pat on the back? I think that part of the reason that early games thrived on creativity was specifically because they were outside of the public mind – they could play with ideas that mainstream society would crap on. (Think of the moral panics around D&D when it first got started!).

    If game developers want to be understood, as Joe mentions, it won’t be because there is any way of “forcing legitimacy” – I completely agree with you here. Imagine yourself at the same cocktail party – and imagine how important it is to help people recognize the meaningfulness and relevance of certain games. Becoming articulate about games, and showing friends/family/strangers that they have become a part of our society as much as films are books are, seems (in my opinion) to be awfully important.

    Thanks for the replies!

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  6. Brian 'Psychochild' Green’s avatar

    I hope that critique was tongue-in-cheek, because my fragile little ego couldn’t take the criticism if it weren’t! :P

    My comment about children’s games wasn’t a criticism about children’s games. I just don’t want to be forced into making games that are only suitable for children. Just like I don’t think all books should only contain content suitable for children. (As for a list of children’s games, I’ll spare you the space and just mention that I bought Wii Music for my 5-year-old niece for Christmas.)

    Anyway, I’m mildly surprised that some people have taken my article as a whine; that couldn’t be further from the truth. The goal here was to educate people about this topic and get them thinking about the issue. Thinking turns into doing for some people; as Chris points out in his comment, we can start pointing out to people that games have become an important part of our society and not just something that kids and adults who refuse to grow up play. If more people think about doing something as simple as this, I think we’ll see games accepted as a legitimate medium sooner rather than later. That’s what I’d really like to see.

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  7. chris’s avatar

    Hi Brian. Glad you had a chance to drop by this neck of the woods!

    Thanks for clarifying your position. I took a pretty aggressive stance on the issue partly because I fear that “legitimacy” might not be the right thing that we’re after. Things that become legitimate also become legitimated. This means that games and their content would be under even greater scrutiny and public outcry than they already are now. Part of what makes games great, and this is something echoed by Michael Abbott, is precisely because they have sat at the margins of society for such a long time.

    I agree with you that nobody should be forced into making child-suitable toys for the rest of their lives ;) At the same time, I’m not sure that we’re offering adults very “adult” experiences – that’s something that you mentioned in your article. I think a lot of adults who “refuse to grow up” still play games, and those are a primary source of enjoyment for them – and that’s fine. I’m included there. But offering new games that enable or help adults AND kids to grow – that’s something I’d like to see. The Sierra and LucasArts games of the 80′s and 90′s were that for me. Why aren’t AAA developers pursuing games with personally meaningful and relevant issues for kids anymore?

    That’s what I meant by children’s games – we actually don’t make kids games anymore. These days we start by making games for adults that don’t want to grow up, then repackage them for an ages 5+ audience. At least, that’s my bent on things.

    Thanks for writing the article Brian – you really stirred up some great conversations! A little gasoline in the fire never hurt ;)

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  8. gnome’s avatar

    (wont join the conversation for now, though I’d love too. Just wanted to let you know Chris that a) I generally agree b) hope to have answered your Speccy question elsewhere on them internets)

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